Re: Vulcan Word Generator (VWG) trials and tribulations Steven Boozer Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:20:49 -0600 Rob Z. wrote: : I also noted that a couple of words in the dictionary used a: and e:, and I : was noting that our new list of vowels we agreed on (during the great : phonetic reformation :) only has these: : i bIt-bEAt : u pOOl : e bEt-bAit : o bOtch-bOUGHt : a bUtter : aa/ah bArter : y bUY, trY, sAI : So what should we convert those a:'s and e:'s into? Although all this was discussed to death a few months ago, I think we should avoid diacritics and punctuation-looking signs like /:/ if possible. Refresh my memory, I've forgotten where we left the approved transcription. (Marketa did approve it, yes?) What's the difference between e/e:/ei/ey and aa/ah/a:/ae in Marketa's pronunciation? : a: : kah-ru : kah-hir : kahr-y-tan : kahs'-khio-ri : kahs'-wan ah, kahru, kah'hir (kahhir), kahrytan (is it kahr-AI-tan, kahr-I-tan or kahr-EE-tan?), kahs'khiori (kahs'khiyori?), kahs'wan : kae : kae'-at : kae'-k'-ak-ka-yam What is /ae/? "cAt"? Or is this two separate vowels: /a-e/ or /ah-eh/? : kre-nath krenath As for /e/, bEt and bAIt are quite different, at least by me. If it works the way I think, I like /e/ for bEt and /eh/ for bAIt. : ur-sev-eh : va'-ne: ur-seveh, va'neh /eh/ and /e:/ are the same vowel? : krey-la : se-heik kreila, seheik -or- kreyla, seheyk /ey/ and /ei/ are the same diphthong? : ka-li-fee : qo-mee : shi-ka'-ree /ee/ as in thIEf & bEAt, right? We're using /i/ for both bIt and bEAt? How about /ih/ for bIt and /i/ for bEAt? kalihfi, qomi, shihka'ri Hmm... perhaps a positional variant: final, stressed /i/ is pronounced long? kalifi, qomi, shika'ri : kai-idth : lai-la-ra : nai-la-ra : rel-dai kyidth (ky'idth), lylara, nylara, reldy (yech! reldai looks better) Can we retain /ai/ or /ay/, at least for word finals? _____________________________________________________________________ Steven Boozer University of Chicago Library s-boozer*uchicago,edu