Re: Fwd: vowel notation; yet another visit Sorik of Vulcan Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:16:35 PST >Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:23:14 -0600 >From: Rob Zook >To: vulcan-linguistics*shikahr,com,inter,net >Subject: Re: Fwd: vowel notation; yet another visit >Reply-To: vulcan-linguistics*shikahr,com,inter,net > >Sorik of Vulcan wrote: > >> >>>A post a week or so ago on the main list partially written in >> >>>Klingon got me thinking... amazing, I know :) >> >>> >> >>>They seem to capitalize certain characters and leave others lower >> >>>case. Whatever their reason for doing this is irrelevent, but it >> >>>gave me an idea. I'll throw it out and see what you think. >> >>> >> >>>Instead of using an to notate the sound in Tuvok, we could >> >>>simply capitalize the "u". Then we have It would >> >>>easily give the reader of Vulcan words in standard english text a >> >>>way to decipher how it should sound. I say that mainly because >> >>>neither notation we recognize is currently used with absolute >> >>>dedication, nor are the vowels sounds always distinguished; that >> >>>is, the s aren't always set apart from the s and so forth. > >> I had not considered the..,social implications that would have. I >> still think that _that_ misinterpretaion would be a small price to >> pay for avoid many others. > >More important to me is that we don't need to capitalize. We had a >huge thread on resolving the transliteration issues, and this is the >final form that Marketa approved (correct me if I have it wrong >please): > >Vowels: >i bIt-bEAt >u pOOl >e bEt-bAit >o bOtch-bOUGHt >a bUtter >aa/ah bArter >y "ai" dipthong > >So, except for aa/ah, we've dropped nearly all the doubled letter >vowels. At least in writing. We still may have some varient sounds >with unspelled allophones. But that's something we can play with >later on. > I think that there is too much difference between the two sounds bEt and bAit to have then repersented the same way. If the sound in bait were capitalized, like "bEt", it would avoid this problem. Also, the same is true of the difference between bIt and bEAt. >Consonents: >p pat >b bat >f fat >v vat >wh -- >w wet >m mat >t tap >d dash >th -- >dh -- >n net >c tsunami >s suit >z zoo >sh shoe >zh a_z_ure >k kit >g get >x -- >h hat >ng ra_ng_ >ks a_x_e >q -- >j yet >rr -- >l let >whl -- >r rat? >ch chat >dj jet >n~ -- > > >Rob Z. > > I must make a final holar on this... If means the sound in "jet", then must be the sound in "measure" and not . It makes not sense to have that contradiction. -Sorik ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www,hotmail,com