Re: Gender in Pronouns Saul Epstein Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:19:40 -0500 I've encountered a new wrinkle. In the original ZC grammar, the following appears next to the "it" pronouns, in the column otherwise occupied by honorifics. "it" can have honorific form when applied to 'sexless' sentient phenomena This makes it pretty clear that pronouns based on were meant to be only neuter, but either sentient or not. This could be used to argue in favor of the second of my two solutions (or even to argue that there isn't a problem). At the same time, I think it's worth making the sentient-nonsentient distinction at least as significant as the masculine-feminine-neither distinction. It seems likely to me that Vulcans would consider sentient entities, with or without gender, to have more in common than either has with non-sentient entities (presumably always without gender). I guess my opinion is now perfectly balanced between what I'd prefer from a philosophical point of view and my desire to preserve the foundation. I encourage anyone who has an opinion on the subject to express it. (Of course, I'd always like that, but in this case I seem to be more than usually dependent on it.) Meanwhile I may start work on the next section. ;-) -- from Saul Epstein locus*planetkc,com - www,planetkc,com/locus "Surakri' ow'phahcur the's'hi the's'cha'; the's'phahrka the's'hi surakecha'." -- K'dvarin Urswhl'at