Re: Vulcan names Sorik of Vulcan Sat, 10 Oct 1998 10:38:45 PDT >From: "Saul Epstein" >To: vulcan-linguistics*shikahr,com,inter,net >Subject: Re: Vulcan names >Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:42:51 -0500 >Reply-To: vulcan-linguistics*shikahr,com,inter,net > >Quotes from: Sorik of Vulcan >Date: Thursday, October 8, 1998 5:19 PM > >> >From: "Saul Epstein" >> >Among the things worth keeping in mind is how little we know about >> >the nature of Vulcan names. Do they mean anything? It seems likely >> >they did once. How long ago? >> >> Livia Cases uses the name T'Kae, which must have something to do >with >> the word kae, Vulcan for mind. > > well, it could, certainly... > >> >Do Vulcans create new names sometimes? Often? Always? What governs >a >> >new name's form? Do they have anything to do with time of birth? >> >Accompanying signs? >> >> Not sure what you mean by signs here. If it is astrology I'd say >"Never >> that". Spock clearly states in "Mind Meld" by John Vornholt that >he >> does not believe in supersticion(sp?), astrology, numerology and >things >> of this nature. A Rigellian then asks, "THen what do you believe >in?", >> and he answers, "Logic". Of course Spock can be just speaking for >> himself, and not all of Vulcan, but I doubt it since any such >belief is >> sooooo illogical. > >Actually, it's a highly symbolic logic. (That's a pun, yall: be >calm.) But seriously, I did not mean to imply anything as to the >significance -- if any -- of the time or accompanying signs. Merely >that such can be used as a source for parts of names if each newborn >is customarily given a unique name. (Slowly) Possibly. Like someone else posted today or yesterday, Vulcan traditions are not neccessarily logical, but Vulcan nonetheless, and that the reason for this is that Vulcans want to preserve tradition. (I personally think it has to do with a reminder of how passion can lead to war). So it is possible that an illogical tradition such as astrology could still be seen in something like modern names. In fact, I like this idea. Do we know much about what the constellations look like from a Vulcan observer. I know, they are different constellations altogether. >No, you're right. Parts of my vision of that period depend on hints >provided by J,M. Dillard's _The_Lost_Years_, which both refers to a >re-naming as part of joining Surak's cause, and pokes some serious >fun at the s---(k) idea. (A detail that I didn't include in that >draft of the story is that some of the other councillor's names are >Stuck, Stork, Shark, Spank, Skunk, etc.) As I specifically make use >of two of that author's characters, this detail just sort of slipped >in. > >I think a lot of Vulcans did take new names. But I don't know the >basis for their specific choices or creations. > >> >How many parts are there to a Vulcan's full name? Are parts >> >transmitted from one generation to the next? Altered at >bond-mating? >> >Other milestones? How? >> > >> >To what extent are titles incorporated incorporated into full >names? >> >> A teacher would have t'khar in it somewhere just like a certain >japanese >> sensei (teacher) would be called "Suta-ku sensei". There is also >T'Sai, >> which is used..,well I'm not sure that's defined either. > >Exactly... > >> >Of some interest in this regard also is the long-term trend in the >> >Anglo-American naming tradition of certain names once considered >> >masculine becoming, ah, bisexual or even feminine -- sometimes due >to >> >perceived feminine morphology (Tracy, Leslie, Darcy) but not >always >> >(Carol). Also the contemporary fashion of giving girls boys' >names. >> >Tyler comes to mind. >> >> Yes, my best friend is a male named Courtney, which, (for those of >you >> not familiar with this name) is traditionally female. > >Hmm. I thought it was the other way around. . Maybe where you're from, but I've only known or heard of one male Courtney and hear of many female Courtneys. Sorik ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www,hotmail,com