Re: Ships and Things Steven Boozer Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:07:30 -0500 (CDT) : In Old High Vulcan, we would call the "The Ship of Children": : "Hali t'Kanlar" or more likely "Stukh-Hali t'Kanlar". : : "Kan-Hali" would mean "child-vehicle", presumably something : like a baby carriage or perhaps a toy. We never came up : with this term, so it is undetermined. I stand corrected. I only downloaded the OHV-English file adding the words from your specialized topic files (physics, biology, etc.), thinking I'd rely on my word-processor's "find" function to search for English words. (That's how I have all my language files organized. I only have a 100 Mb hard drive at home, and having duplicate files -- X-English and English-X -- uses too much space.) It seems I will have to down load the English-OHV file as well. Checking your VLI site again, I now find the independent form "craft (vehicle)". So, <-hali> is only used in compounds. Pity, as I rather like the sound of "S,S. Surak", "the (good) ship Surak", the "Surak-maru", etc. You mention in your introduction to the grammar that Vulcans usually omit words that are easily understood or redundant, such as the plural marker <-lar> after numbers. I guess excess verbiage is considered inefficient. In a space travel context, "space-craft/vessel" would be redundant, as it is even in English. You would only need to specify when contrasting a with some other type of vessel, such as a "aircraft", "desert skimmer" or even "starship" (in Trek, spaceships tend to be sublight for in-system or orbital traffic while starships are warp-powered, capable of interstellar travel). I also found "boat", derived from "water", along with "sea/ocean" and "river" -- theoretical vocabulary indeed for a desert planet lacking oceans! is tagged "(ancient)", however. I believe in all the pro- and fan-literature I've read, I have never found mention of surface water on T'Khasi, merely subsurface wells and aquifers. I suppose that Vulcan xenobiologists and and xenogeologists would need those words in their work. : I want to especially thank Rob Zook and Steven Boozer for : making this discussion group alive and interesting of late. : Since many of us will never meet in real life, this is the : next best thing.... As the Vulcans say: "The honor is to serve." : Mark R. Gardner : Vulcan Language Institute _____________________________________________________________________ Steven Boozer University of Chicago Library s-boozer*uchicago,edu