Zvelebil/Epstein/McReynold Comparison Rob Zook Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:09:39 -0500 Ok, I thought it might help everyone if we can look at all the proposed revisions of the Zvelebil Transcriptions so far. For this post I'm going to compare the ascii only versions: Original Brit Zvelebil: Epstein: Zook: Reynolds: English: i i i i pit u u u u put e e e e set o o o o not ^ ^ a - but a a ah a patte(*) i:(#) ii(#) ee(#) ii(#) mean u:(#) uu(#) oo(#) uu(#) prune e:(#) ee(#) eh(#) - prenez(*) o:(#) oo(#) oh(#) - fault ^:(#) ^^(#) - - sir a:(#) aa(#) - - (never established) p p p p put b b b b but f f f f fair v v v v voice w~ wh wh wh -- w w w w wild m m m m milk t t t t tip d d d d dip th th th th -- dh dh dh dh -- n n n n nose c ts ts ts tsunami z z z z zork sh c c sh shoe zh j j zh a_z_ure k k k k ken g g g g got x x kh kh loch h h h h hog ng ng ng ng ru_ng_ ks ks ks x a_x_e q q q q -- j y y y yellow r rr rr rr -- l l l l laugh w~l whl whl whl -- rh r r r red* dzh dj dj j judge n~ n~ n~ ny man~ana(!) y ai ai ? p_ie_ oy oi oi ? b_oy_ Some words written in each system for comparison: Zvelebil: spok t'hyla brax shika:r th'spaksera Epstein: spok t'haila brax cikaar th'spaksera Zook: spok t'haila brakh cikahr th'spaksera McReynolds: spok t'h?la brakh shikar th'spaxera Zvelebil: th'spacura th'kroydzha w~l'q'n t'hyle'e: Epstein: th'spatsura th'kroidja whl'q'n t'hyle'ee Zook: th'spatsura th'kroidja whl'q'n t'hyle'eh McReynolds: th'spatsura th'kro?ja whl'q'n t'hyle'? Key to those out of place punctuation marks: * The French pronunciation of these words. # These vowels may not be phonemes, and thus may not need a seperate letter. ! The Spanish pronunciation of this word. ? I'm not sure what's supposed to go here. Note: any bizarre twists to the above are probably due to this info being filtered thru my nervous system. Saul, if you've revised your system, please repost the thing in it's entirety. Not everyone may have kept up with all those posts. I just posted the orginal, as I remember it. As far as just the proposed ascii transcription methods, the votes go like this I would think: Zvelebil: 1 (T'Zaq) Epstein: 1 (Pat) Zook: 1 (Me) McReynolds: 1 (McReynolds) An even split so far, unless someone switches sides, or someone wants me to count their vote for just the ascii versions. Rob Z. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ And isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony, anyway? I mean, all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, ooh ooh ooh, the sky's the limit! -- The Tick