Final SevTrek 2 translation and Transcriptions (Re: Is the Sev
Rob Zook 
Wed, 08 Jul 1998 15:23:12 -0500

At 01:48 PM 7/8/98 -0500, Saul Epstein wrote:
<snip>
>><th'nidroimajia jitokh'hi beita'a>
>>"Please, may I ask a personal question, Beta."
>
>Ah, I'd rather not. That "please" in my example was a paraphrase. I
>meant "requestive" in the sense that it would be a polite imperative.
>Not for commands, but for requests, directed at one's audience. 

Hmmm..,so saying nidroijia(nidroicul... whatever) would be telling
yourselve politely to ask?

In that case, I misunderstood, that's not what I had in mind for -jia
at all. I was just meant having it as a kind of interogative suffix,
so I think we've ruled that possibilty out as well.


>>Yes, a question that would breach the traditional bounds of
>>privacy.  And you mean "question" in terms of "asking a question"
>>as opposed to "inquiring after someone's health", or "requesting
>>help", right?
>
>Only as opposed to "requesting help," depending on the form of the
>health inquiry. I see that as a statement of ignorance, with an
>implied request to have the ignorance informed. (I'm partly motivated
>here by the apparent etymology of <nidroi> as <ni droi>.)

So your saying that a "not tell" = "ask", etymologically? That seems
kind of odd to me.


>>>So, is this where we are?
>>>
>>>   G: qa th'nidroima jidokh'hi beita'a
>>>   B: s'ninidroima godi'a
>>>   G: qa s'izgezu ibumusko
>>
>>I think, except for the intensively reduplicated nidroi in Beita's
>>reply. Why does that need to be there?
>
>No need. I did it to reflect the underlying "of course," more intense
>than "you may," or a simple "yes." (I also considered duplicating
>the -<ma> instead, but I feel like that's too literal somehow. I think
>the reduplicative process should operate on an otherwise "finished"
>word, rather than parts.)

Ok, I'll buy that, so why don't we go with the version above.

However, before we submit the second translation into vulcan, I suggest
we get the transcription argument resolve once and for all. Then, ask
the SevTrek author to reissue the translation of #1 in whatever method
we decide on.

I suggest we simply vote on it. These are the possibilities, that I've
seen so far:

1. Original ZC notation unaltered.
2. Original Epstein notation as posted on his page.
3. Epstein notation plus ISA characters when the medium allows it.
4. Epstein notation plus "long vowels"+h notation, with - to seperate
   an otherwise ambiguous pair of Hs.
5. Mixture of ZC and Epstein notations.

Please, everyone speak up and vote for one of those choices or offer 
another choice. 

I vote for #4.

Randall, 

You have access to the subscriber list. If anyone doesn't 
vote maybe you could bug them about it :)

Marketa,

Please, as our ultimate arbiter, make a decision about which
transcription method we should use - whether you take the votes into 
consideration or not - it's more important to lay this issue to rest 
finally.



Rob Z.
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