Re: categories of indirect objects Saul Epstein Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:05:39 -0500 Quotes from: Rob Zook Date: Friday, June 26, 1998 9:52 AM >Do you have a list of "recognized" types of objects of >verbs somewhere. I found a list of latin ones which may help or not. >Most of them seem pretty familiar, and I think it would help Vulcan >to have some pretty unfamiliar ones too - although of what kind I'm >not sure. True, as long as we resist the temptation to make too many. I may have been indirectly misrepresenting Latin around here: everything I know about Latin grammar comes from a few pages at the front of a little Latin-English dictionary I have, and I realized while looking something up the other day that these pages make no mention of instrumental or locative cases. I know those from Sanskrit, but their functions are apparently handled by other cases in Latin. Anyway, here are the cases I've been assuming operate in Vulcan, based on the ZC, along with their suffixes. nominative subject -<> accusative "direct" object - instrumental object as instrument - dative object as destination - ablative object as origin - genitive object as possessor - locative object as location - (vocative object as audience - ) and to these I'd like to add associative object as companion - I'm completely leaving out <'> for now, because I feel like we should figure out what it is and does before we decide what makes it appear and disappear. (And I put vocative in parentheses because it seems like there may be some long-standing disagreement among grammarians as to whether it constitutes a case.) Also, I know the labels of direct vs. indirect object are helpful because they're familiar to many of us -- including those who don't know what the labels mean. ;-) But unfortunately, they refer to the relationship of nouns to verbs, but the case system as a whole covers relationships between nouns as well. For instance (in the spirit of so many of our examples) "Die, killer (who is a) Terran!" "Die, killer (who kills) Terran(s)!" These are more precise than the English equivalent "Die, Terran killer!" Also, once can speak of , "the way to Shikahr," or even "She waits for us on the way to Shikahr." >In the context of what I said about catagorizing >the various kinds of objects, you mean that -ti and -sko should head, >or at least be in different catagories. Exactly. -- from Saul Epstein locus*planetkc,com - www,planetkc,com/locus "Surakri' ow'phatsur the's'hi the's'tca'; the's'pharka the's'hi suraketca'." -- K'dvarin Urswhl'at