another explination attempt Sorik of Vulcan Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:49:13 PST Hello everyone, Vowels: i -as in eng. "pea", or "sea" u - " "boot" e - " "gray/grey" o - " "boat" ^ the same as in the ZC a - as in german Bach or French Patte. "Say ahhh" (see bottom of message for further thoughts on the "a" sound. ih -as in eng. "pit" or "pin" uh - " "but", not "put" hu - " "put" and "could" eh - " "bet", or "head" **If the vowel sound is shorter in "pit" than in "speak", that is not what I was referring to when suggesting we use to show that a "pit" sound is made. The long "eee" sound is made with a different tounge position that an "ih" sound. I hav noticed that the tounge is almost touching the mid-section of the roof of the mouth when saying the short , but when saying the long , the tounge is touching a lot more, and in a portion of the mouth closer to the fromt teeth. That was what I was referring to. aw -as in eng. "fault" Consonants: ts -as in "tse tse fly" or "tsunami" ks or x - as in "ax" or "fox" y -as in eng. "yolk" (**as opposed to using ) *I realize that the consonants I propose are seen in Saul's and other notations, but I was just looking at the Zvelebils' notation when writing this. The following is of my own creation, tell me what you think. I think there should be different Vulcan characters in Vulcan that sound like... er -as in eng. "air" ur -as in eng. "bird" or "fur" ir -as in eng. "ear" ar - " "bar" or "car" **I don't quite follow what you were saying about . In Am. eng. it would sound like "fur". I don't know how others would pronounce it. More examples from other languages would have to come from someone else. The following could be used for sentient names. ek - as in Vul. "Sarek" ok - " "Tuvok" ik - " "Vorik" and "Sorik" el - " "T'Pel" ella - " "T'Pella" this one sounds far too Spanish, so maybe this one should not be. The preceding would indicate you are saying someone's name as opposed to just saying a word. This is something japanese lacks. The following states that a sentient name is either feminine or masculine. S - " Surakian masculine (Surak) T' - " " feminine (T'Pau) The femimine names also are Surakian. The context for the word "Surakian" is referring to the way Surak, and people of the time (that we know of) spelled and pronounced their names. Vorick, Tuvok, Saavik, Torik, Valeris, and many others do not follow these rules, so they are not considered to be absolute. Those who choose not to have a or at the start of their name just are starting a new trend that's all. I mean, look at it this way. There are only so many combinations of sounds that can follow these guidelines before becoming very long, so many will come up with new styles. That's natural. Either way, a name should "sound Vulcan". Whatever that means. I wonder if a name generator could be put into the word generator? Mene sakkhet ur-seveh. Sorik "If everyone is unique, then that also makes everyone the same." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www,hotmail,com