Representation Saul Epstein Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:24:20 -0600 I think it might be useful if we take a moment to consider the different kinds of things we need to represent in writing with regard to language. These are a few I can think of. PHONES Phones are speech sounds, whether broadly or narrowly defined, but which are language-independent. That is, they are defined solely on the basis of their acoustic (sound) or articulatory (physiological) characteristics, without regard for the way any particular dialect or language organizes them. In general, any sound which is possible to produce in isolation is probably a phone. There is an International Phonetic Alphabet for representing phones. The convention is that when a bit of speech is to be represented phonetically in writing, it is surrounded by square brackets []. PHONEMES Phonemes are language-specific idealizations of that language's basic sounds. Phonemes are composed of phones which alternate with each other according to rules which are also specific to the language. The phones that alternate in the expression of a phoneme are called its allophones. IPA signs are often used to represent phonemes as well as phones. To distinguish them, the convention is to surround phonemic representations of speech with slashes //. So, for instance, the English word "ink" may be composed of three phonemes: /i/, /n/, and /k/. The word could be given a phonemic transcription of /ink/. But its phonetic transcription might be something like [(i~)(ng)(kh)], where parentheses indicate phones for which IPA provides a single sign and ASCII doesn't. LETTERS Many languages have writing systems that evolve with varying degrees of indifference to their language's phonology (phoneme system) or phonetics (phone system). Another convention calls for speech represented by such systems to be surrounded by angle-brackets <>. So, the following are different ways of representing the English word "incredible." orthographic (as spelled) /inkredibl/ phonemic [(ng|)(kh)(j?)Er*b(l|)] phonetic (as I hear myself, anyway) I only mention all this to try to clarify that what I wrote at the end of my recent "Vowels" message was not intended as yet another transcription proposal, but merely to represent some _early_, _tentative_ conclusions about the vowel phonemes of the ZC dialect based on some new data. -- from Saul Epstein locus*planetkc,com www,johnco,cc,ks,us/~sepstein "Surak ow'phaaper thes'hi thes'tca'; thes'phaadjar thes'hi suraketca'." -- K'dvarin Urswhl'at